Why do age regressors hate ABDL's so much?

[LittleBelleReturns]

False. You are projecting your feelings onto an entire population. Most "vanillas" I've discussed the issue with are very much of the "not my thing, but you do you" mindset.

Not an entire population. I said unlikely, meaning there will always be some who don't. Not to mention people usually react that way to peoples faces or those they know, but those same people might not be so understanding to someone else who they don't.

 

[Drifter]

So if sexuality will always be associated with ABDL, is it wrong for people who are littles and don't want their expriences connected with sexuality in any way to not want to be associated with ABDL because it would therefore sexualise them through association which may be distressing for them? Genuine question.

I don't see it as wrong. I just see it as being unlikely that there won't be some people that make that association. You're welcome to try to get people to change their minds, but in today's political climate...

Well, the answer to [is there anything wrong with some ABDLs enjoying diaper love in a sexual way?] is always going to depend on who you ask.

True. Some people will believe it is harmless and OK, while others will believe it is suspicious and potentially a threat to the community. I doubt if we can get many people to change their beliefs on this without providing some solid explanation as to why we do this and why it's harmless, and, even if we do that, I doubt there will be much interest in a subject many people see as involving deviant behavior.

 

[LittleBelleReturns]

I hope you don't feel I was trying to be insensitive to your point of view. I was only attempting to further describe the point of view from not wanting labels. I totally see your side of it and understand why as well. At least I think I do. You seem have a very analytical mindset and lean towards being organized which explains why you like to see things in separate categories. If that works for you then that is what you use and I have no problem with that. Just don't ask me to because I don't wanna.

Oh no, I wasn't talking about you. I understand your side too, ideally we wouldn't need them, but when trying to explain it to someone, most people can't, or won't, understand without a label, and some will violate boundaries without a clear distinction too. Ah you've got me with the analytical mindset though, it is my best known trait That's fair enough, I am more trying to get people to understand why people would use the labels and why they may react the way they do, because the hate isn't personal, I am not saying it is right at all or that it isn't very hurtful, but it is a self-defense mechanism and a personal issue that causes those that hate to do so, peoples reactions to things rarely have anything to do with the person personally.

I think you had a nice little lightbulb moment here. Although you won't see some agreeing with it it's a good depiction of who all of us really are.

Thank you! I feel like it fits, it is the one term everyone seems to use unanimously, or almost maybe, but I haven't seen anyone who doesn't yet I don't think!

 

[Tungsten]

Not an entire population. I said unlikely, meaning there will always be some who don't. Not to mention people usually react that way to peoples faces or those they know, but those same people might not be so understanding to someone else who they don't.

You ask for consideration of your lived experiences, why are you so quick to dismiss those of others?

 

[LittleBelleReturns]

I don't see it as wrong. I just see it as being unlikely that there won't be some people that make that association. You're welcome to try to get people to change their minds, but in today's political climate...

Oh I agree with this, there always will be, sadly some people will always hate and not try to understand those that are different to themselves, I do try to look at things from all angles and understand each perspective and thought process, which is what I am trying to communicate here, why some may do what they do. Personally I just overexplain until they understand.

True. Some people will believe it is harmless and OK, while others will believe it is suspicious and potentially a threat to the community. I doubt if we can get many people to change their beliefs on this without providing some solid explanation as to why we do this and why it's harmless, and, even if we do that, I doubt there will be much interest in a subject many people see as involving deviant behavior.

This is also true. Personally I am asexual, and of the sex repulsed variety, I personally can't understand sexuality, just like I don't understand craving avocados (silly example I used earlier but true), because I have never experienced it, it just isn't something that happens to me, and I don't have anything against anyone elses experiences or think it's wrong, I just will never actually be able to understand on a personal level without that experience and knowing how that feels. I know it exists, but I don't "get it" mentally. I am uncomfortable with it around me but I fully support others to do what makes them happy providing what makes them happy doesn't harm others, I am only uncomfortable when I personally am sexualised.

So that ramble was to say, this same not "getting it" mentally can be even harder with this particular subject because they don't know on a personal level how those that experience it feel, and that it is harmless. I have seen others explain it but I will never truly "get it" or know for a fact that those feeling are harmless because I will never experience them for myself to know, I just have to respect their explanation and experiences and assume no ill intentions, which I guess it can be harder for others to do because it is seen as a risk factor to others in society, they ask "but what if it isn't?"

 

[LittleBelleReturns]

You ask for consideration of your lived experiences, why are you so quick to dismiss those of others?

How did I dismiss it? Stop twisting what I say.

 

[Tungsten]

Well, I described a lived experience, and you said that people were just being nice to my face.

Not to mention people usually react that way to peoples faces or those they know,

 

[ILuvDiapers]

You ask for consideration of your lived experiences, why are you so quick to dismiss those of others?

I agree with you, everybody should be allowed and without coercion to decide for themselves, as to what fits best for them. No one has the right to attempt to influence people into thinking or acting a certain way! It should always be an individual choice, and people should be more accepting of peoples choices and none judgemental.

As i have stated before, it is not conducive of a support community, for anyone to attempt to indoctrinate people into thinking one way or the other! Live and let live, whether you are sexual or not, equal respect should be afforded to all.

 

[LittleBelleReturns]

Well, I described a lived experience, and you said that people were just being nice to my face.

I am sorry if I was unclear in my wording, I am saying that some can be deceptive, but when I say "to those they know", I mean that some people will be truly accepting to those they know whilst simultaneously hating others the same as them that they don't know personally

 

[LittleBelleReturns]

I agree with you, everybody should be allowed and without coercion to decide for themselves, as to what fits best for them. No one has the right to attempt to influence people into thinking or acting a certain way! It should always be an individual choice, and people should be more accepting of peoples choices and none judgemental.

As i have stated before, it is not conducive of a support community, for anyone to attempt to indoctrinate people into thinking one way or the other! Live and let live, whether you are sexual or not, equal respect should be afforded to all.

Have I said anything other than that? We are having a discussion. Don't twist it.

 

[ILuvDiapers]

Have I said anything other than that? We are having a discussion. Don't twist it.

You do come across as attempting to demonise those who are ABDL and sexual yes. I am none sexual, but i really don't have a problem with anyone being anything they want to be. I don't mind if people sexualise wearing diapers, because it doesn't involve me so why should i have a problem with it? You need to appreciate that this site is for AB/DL/IC and has a mixture of AB's who regress and are none sexual and some who are. We are very aware of your views, but this isn't an age regression site, and while many AB's may regress and are none sexual, you have to acknowledge that your opinion is not the only opinion.

 

[LittleBelleReturns]

You do come across as attempting to demonise those who are ABDL and sexual yes. I am none sexual, but i really don't have a problem with anyone being anything they want to be. I don't mind if people sexualise wearing diapers, because it doesn't involve me so why should i have a problem with it? You need to appreciate that this site is for AB/DL/IC and has a mixture of AB's who regress and are none sexual and some who are. We are very aware of your views, but this isn't an age regression site, and while many AB's may regress and are none sexual, you have to acknowledge that your opinion is not the only opinion.

I have stated very clearly the opposite of this. You are very clearly you trying to twist my words, again. I won't be engaging with you anymore, all you have done is twist people's words. This will be my last reply to you.

 

[ILuvDiapers]

I have stated very clearly the opposite of this. You are very clearly you trying to twist my words, again. I won't be engaging with you anymore, all you have done is twist people's words. This will be my last reply to you.

You clearly haven't read your own posts, but that's fine.

 

[littledub1955]

Hi! I used to be on here a long time ago but managed to lose access to my account, I have no idea what email I used, so I have a new one.

I am going to attempt to answer this because I identify as a little, because it is just who I am, it is just my personality, mannerisms and interests, but my headspace age level fluctuates I guess so I do regress younger, and I am asexual and diagnosed audhd (autism/adhd), so age regression as a community is the one I frequent because it aligns with the content I want to see and my experiences, as well as the subreddit Never Grew Up, which resonates the most.

I have been trying to word this reply for over an hour now, it is quite hard to put into words.

The overall root problem is sex and sexualisation. As painful as it is for those who do find it sexual, the majority of people will never understand or accept it, or are very unlikely to anyhow. Because for those who haven't felt it or experienced it, it is impossible to understand. It is like avocados, I don't like avocados, I don't understand how it feels to crave an avocado because I never have, and actually thats my experience with sex overall, I lack sexuality, completely. And it is also the same for people who feel the opposite, they'll never understand either, they'll never understand how it feels to lack sexuality, or dislike avocados, and it is frustrating for people to misunderstand your experiences, it makes you feel alone whatever those experiences are. In the case of sexual ABDLs though, it has the extra layer of being a subject that doesn't feel like it should ever be sexualised to most people, their brain automatically connects it with awful things.

There is a vocal minority of ABDLs who insist that it is a kink, it is always sexual, and that you can never regress to the headspace of a child. But that is their own experiences that they are trying to force on others. I think this is what causes the backlash and conflict because people then feel their safe space is threatened, and if they have experienced trauma this is particularly unsettling. I also think some of these ABDLs do it in the first place out of feeling hurt and upset when their own experiences are insulted.

The only real issue age regressors have with ABDL is sexualisation of their own experiences, and the impact the sexualisation has on their own acceptance.

I think agere actually has a much better chance of being fully accepted and normalised by society, it is already met with much more acceptance by people who aren't a part of any of the communities at all when it is explained to them what it is. The key difference to that acceptance? Being told it isn't sexual, it is innocent. And since that is the case with age regressors and the age regression community, they want to protect that acceptance and be able to be themselves I think. To be able to live true to themselves. Honestly, I think this is actually a positive for society overall, I think too many people are stuck denying themselves of things deemed "childish" or "for kids", I think people would be so much happier if they were socially allowed to just play, watch cartoons and like what they like, whether that's dinosaurs or disney.

And ABDL threatens that because of sex, not just ABDL though, I think most people will never accept anything that sexualises anything that they associate with childhood and their own innocence too, like DDLG. Because I think a lot of people do yearn for the innocence of childhood to some point, it is a source of comfort for them, and that threatens that for them too, or at least makes them uncomfortable. And for some ABDLs I think it is hard to be rejected while agere is accepted, so they try to say it is the same, but realistically, sexualisation is the issue people have with it, and if you take that away like with agere, then it isn't the same because the issue people have ceases to exist.

There are people who openly engage with both communities and are accepted through like Kidden (YouTube/TikTok), as long as they're respectful of boundaries and keep it PG in the agere spaces most age regressors welcome them with open arms, so don't feel too upset, really I think people are just trying to protect themselves, their own identity, safe spaces and experiences

Ultimately, these are imperfect labels, there are people who may have very similar needs, experiences, feelings, and boundaries that use opposite labels. I think the imporant thing is that everyone just respects others experiences and understands that even though they don't understand or haven't experienced them, it doesn't make them invalid.

I hope that makes sense, it was more of a thinking out loud!

Love your input very much. I would have never been able to express myself so well that anyone could understand. In the beginning I was ABDL with childish tendencies navigating my way from a world of sexual perversion and porn into a world of calmness and contentment clearing my mind of sexual thoughts and becoming like a toddler who loved his binky and hugging his teddy bear while watching cartoons. It took me years to get to the point of keeping any sexual thoughts and perversions out of my mind. I am still a man who does hard and difficult work ( I don't make any money) repairing and restorations around the house, but even then, I try to keep my thoughts pure like that of a child. Not everyone who has experienced the joys of sex can keep sexual thoughts from entering their mind but the more time we spend in little space the easier it becomes. I don't disagree with anyone's choices or lifestyle but I totally agree with trying my best to become the best little baby boy I can. I pretend I am my father when I'm in adult mode providing for his son who is myself when I'm in baby space. That is who I am now and always who I want to be.

 

[Spadon]

I assume you mean the involuntary bodily reactions from this context, a few people have talked about those, you're not alone, but I know many asexuals struggle with this in general, but as others have said, sometimes bodies work that way and you shouldn't be ashamed or uncomfortable

Yeah pretty much that, I usually look at art a lot (some have themes of abdl in them for story) or just by reading here on adisc and it happens (probably imagining a "situation I wish would happen but never" will kind of thing).

It sucks since I usually don't want it to happen yet it just does. I do however still do self pleasure for the only reasons that it 'feels nice" and prevents certain cancers (and don't get me started on preventing "wet dreams"...). Other then that, want nothing to do with it.

Unless that does not make me an asexual. If so, then I don't even know what I am anymore...

I'm sorry that is happening to you I really hope you get your own space soon so that you can be yourself!

Thanks but that sadly won't happen anytime soon. Me and my brother will be moving to an actual house but all rooms are already decided amd my brother "kind of" accepts it but rather does not.

This is true. Another thing is that I use age regression to explain the headspace to people when I talk about age regression, if I wanted to explain that I am a little in general I would explain that and what it means for me, and honestly I talk a lot, so I would probably just breakdown the whole community, dynamics and labels while I am at it, including this debate. But I use age regression to explain the headspace so they understand where I am mentally at when I regress, especially involuntarily.

Wow, that would be one heck of an explanation. Would love to hear that though. I usually struggle with explaining what all those parts are and most of the time mess up which confuses them more then helping.

Truthfully, I don't think it ever will, because as the other person on this thread said, it will always be associated with sexual things because there will always be a minority that make it so (purposefully) and can't accept that it isn't that way for others, so I guess that is another thing with agere, how to balance keeping it non-sexual and not excluding people who choose to identify with the label ABDL too. What I mean by that is keeping out people who don't respect others boundaries and try to force sexuality on people, and we know very well as aces that people do that a lot, not even in an ABDL context, just in general with some allos.

Yeah, that's a sad reality we wish would he different. Best we can do is make people understand it without jamming it in their throat.

I have only recently discovered come out to the ace community (you can thank jaiden animations on youtube for that one...) so I don't know all the struggles yet but I guess I will know soon enough

I will never tell anyone about it yet because I have a feeling that if abdl already causes problems, then I don't even want to know what this will do...

 

[Sealander]

I must say I'm surprised and a little confused that this thread is still going. What is the issue? ABDL is a big tent that includes sexual and non-sexual ABDLs. There are some people who like to regress and maybe like diapers but prefer not to identify as ABDL because they perceive ABDL as being sexual or they think society perceives ABDL as being sexual. Ok, that's their prerogative, though it's wrong to think that ABDL is purely sexual because again there are non-sexual ABDLs who are content to identify as such, and it seems questionable to defer to the narrow prejudice of society that ABDL has anything to do with actual children. It's wrong to say that regression must be sexual. It's wrong to say that there's anything wrong with the sexual elements of ABDL, whatever society thinks. Right? Does anyone disagree? I feel like this thread is being dragged on by recriminations stemming from some bad phrasing and misunderstandings, but it seems on the actual issue everyone is agreed...

 

[littledub1955]

Can anyone explain me the difference between an Adult Baby and a regressor? Etimologically I would have imagined both overlap, as an AB regresses to babyhood, so why that differentiation into AB and "regressor"? Is it because a regressor does not do it necessarily to babyhood, and hence it's a bigger umbrella?
I have never seen anyone who regresses express hate for others, but that's just my perspective.

Same here.

 

[Anemone]

I must say I'm surprised and a little confused that this thread is still going. What is the issue? ABDL is a big tent that includes sexual and non-sexual ABDLs. There are some people who like to regress and maybe like diapers but prefer not to identify as ABDL because they perceive ABDL as being sexual or they think society perceives ABDL as being sexual. Ok, that's their prerogative, though it's wrong to think that ABDL is purely sexual because again there are non-sexual ABDLs who are content to identify as such, and it seems questionable to defer to the narrow prejudice of society that ABDL has anything to do with actual children. It's wrong to say that regression must be sexual. It's wrong to say that there's anything wrong with the sexual elements of ABDL, whatever society thinks. Right? Does anyone disagree? I feel like this thread is being dragged on by recriminations stemming from some bad phrasing and misunderstandings, but it seems on the actual issue everyone is agreed...

It's true that without the trolling the thread would be more concise and more likely concluded.

I do think that, as an investigation into tribalism between objectively similar groups, there is quite a lot of merit to this discussion beyond the question of the legitimacy of sexuality.

The issue is not so much whether or not we are right to be self satisfied but rather to consider what we mean to another group. A great deal can be learned from such a mirror.

 

[Sealander]

It's true that without the trolling the thread would be more concise and more likely concluded.

I do think that, as an investigation into tribalism between objectively similar groups, there is quite a lot of merit to this discussion beyond the question of the legitimacy of sexuality.

The issue is not so much whether or not we are right to be self satisfied but rather to consider what we mean to another group. A great deal can be learned from such a mirror.

The thread has certainly been an experiment in tribalism.

 

[Prillprillprill]

Pouring through this old thread really got me thinking again about the interplay better sexuality, personal identity, community belonging, shame, prejudice and the lense of the modern world (the internet).

ABs are so damn interesting. Humans are so damn interesting!

I particularly enjoyed the question that came up about whether arousal was inherently sexual. The way I see it
there are those that don't get
aroused while in little mode, and that's great. Those that do and like it, and that's great. And those that do and don't like it, and that's valid.